Hosted by Kosha Joubert. Produced by J’aime Rothbard.

When Dr. Ntombiyethu Biase was on a retreat led by Thomas Hübl in the United States, one of the participants invited her to join a ritual to honour the memory of enslaved people buried at a nearby mass grave.

On her return to her native South Africa, Ntombiyethu felt an impulse to step outside the airport, scoop up some soil, rub it between her hands and say: “I’m home.” 

“The minute I did that, I had this feeling of awe. I looked up at the sky with amazement and wonderment because it was so beautiful,” Ntombiyethu says.  “And then it clicked: I was a courier. I had carried those people back and this was the first time they’d been home to rest.”

In this episode, Ntombiyethu opens up about the extraordinary path she’s traversed to integrate her Western medical training with forms of energetic and ancestral healing rooted in her African heritage.

Her journey has taught her that we can all be vessels of healing if we are prepared to surrender to the flow of emergent intelligence that’s continually seeking ways to express itself through us — provided we don’t allow our attachment to striving and struggling to get in the way.

Ntombiyethu and co-host Kosha Joubert reflect on South Africa’s largely peaceful transition from apartheid to democracy, celebrating the achievements of the country’s truth- and reconciliation-based approach, while acknowledging the deep layers of unhealed trauma that remain.

With her studies with Thomas and the Pocket Project expanding her capacity to work with individual, ancestral and collective trauma, Ntombiyethu is modelling what it means to integrate knowledge from multiple traditions into inspiring new approaches to systemic change.

“Truth and reconciliation opened the door, but healing cannot end there,” Ntombiyethu says. “If we can initiate systems that help people understand and work with their trauma, even within imperfect systems, we can create real change.”

This episode will inspire all those interested in integrating the modern scientific paradigm with other ways of knowing — and the kinds of possibilities that open up when we recognise our innate capacities as catalysts for healing. 

This dialogue was recorded for the World Women Summit 2026.

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Further Resources:

Dr. Ntombiyethu Biase on LinkedIn

About Dr. Ntombiyethu Biase: 

Dr. Ntombiyethu Biyase is a South African medical doctor specializing in anaesthesiology and critical care, rooted in a long lineage of Indigenous healers. Alongside her clinical practice, she has been initiated and trained in energetic healing traditions. Her personal development includes training in Thomas Hübl’s two-year Timeless Wisdom Training,  participation in the Pocket Project Trauma-Informed Leadership program, and exposure to polyvagal theory and family constellation work.

Ntombiyethu understands the human being as a multidimensional system in which visible physiology and invisible energetic, relational, and trauma fields interact. For healing to be truly holistic and transformative, all dimensions of the person must be acknowledged, engaged, and integrated.